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Going into ketosis while working out
4 years ago  ::  Nov 08, 2010 - 8:04PM #9
diabetic1966
Posts: 2,369
Hello flex89:

how far below 150 are we talking about that its a problem of any kind?

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Even though I was familiar with the term (Ketosis) and its been explained really well... not entirely certain ketosis is the right emphasis.


Do mild ketones guarantee DKA?
Does ketosis cause a dangerous state for diabetics


I'm missing something in your description here... you're eating enough food both pre and during your workout for several of us it sounds like.

Yet to prevent this amonia smell, you're having to eat CANDY to short circuit that happening? Ok, what's your sugar like... Your metabolism must be burning through food like a nuclear reactor... Surprised

Stuart
Merely my opinion, I could surely be mistaken...
4 years ago  ::  Nov 07, 2010 - 9:47AM #8
Logan
Posts: 3
type1
I cut back on my protein and was still going into ketosis... blood sugar would below 150 every time it happened.

I did find out what was going on though... if I don't get enough carbs, I go into ketosis. I've started carrying candy with me while working out, and if I start smelling ammonia, I'll check for ketones, and if I'm in ketosis, I'll eat a piece of candy, take a little insulin, and I'll come right out.

I've increased my carbohydrates up to 80g per meal and now the only time I'm going into ketosis is if I wait too long to eat after working out (like 30 minutes or so)
4 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:49AM #7
diabetic1966
Posts: 2,369
Hello Flex:

You could easily check with Doug Burns. Guaranteed he'll have a thought or two for you. Smile Smile Smile

Type 1 Diabetic,
Mr. Universe,
etc.


http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2008 ... -universe/

Stuart
Merely my opinion, I could surely be mistaken...
4 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 8:01AM #6
diabetic1966
Posts: 2,369
Hello Flex:

Something else occured to me as well. What Joe and Tom explained was tremendous...

What is going on with your BG before, after and during the workout specificly? We heard about your Ketones/ketosis but not so much re: the BG itself.

Stuart
Merely my opinion, I could surely be mistaken...
4 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 3:28PM #5
tomross
Posts: 1,335
type2
Protein is a nitrogen compound; fats and sugars are not. When protein is used for its energy content, and converted to other compounds, there is a nitrogen-rich waste product left over -- ammonia. The body converts this to a less toxic nitrogen compound (urea) before eliminating it. It may be that the ammonia smell occurs because you're taking in more protein than your body can use as protein, so it's being broken down for other purposes.

Whether you're producing an unusual amount of ammonia, or are simply unusually sensitive to the smell of it, I don't know.

I've seen research which claimed to show that, although serious body-builders need slightly more protein than other people, they don't need a lot more. If you keep increasing protein intake, you soon reach a point beyond which additional protein provides no additional benefits. When you take in more protein than your body needs, your body has to turn it into something else (there is no protein-storage system). Maybe you're converting quite a lot of it to something else.
4 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 11:25AM #4
joe_licorice
Posts: 623
type1

Ultimately, I want to know why I'm going into ketosis when my blood sugar is normal or near normal and if there is anything I should be worried about.


the presence of keytones, when you have near normal blood sugar... only means your body is burning fat/protein instead of sugar for energy. that's all it means. it's normal.

the by-product of metabolization of fats and proteins are ketones. Here's where the abnormal stuff is important: if you have no insulin in your system, your blood sugar will rise and your body must burn fats and proteins for cell survival. in the presents of very high sugar (from insufficient insulin), high keytone can build up in the bloodstream to a potentially fatal level. that's not ketosis, that diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA). that's the problem area.

I don't know where the ammonia is comming from, most of the time high blood sugar and/or high keytones causes a sweet or alcohol type smell.

cheers, nice a1c btw.

4 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2010 - 11:48AM #3
Logan
Posts: 3
type1
I started bulking here about two months ago so I'm getting roughly 1000 more calories a day than I would normally. I tried cutting back on my protein intake when the ketosis started because I was wondering if that was causing it, but I was still going into ketosis even after that.
4 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2010 - 12:32AM #2
diabetic1966
Posts: 2,369
Hello flex89:

Anything involving ketones or ketosis is not a good thing. However provided they are going away, and not staying with you after your workout makes it a fascinating issue.

I'd check with Sheri Colberg , author of the "Diabetes Athlete" (2nd Ed.) or Gary Schiener who is very prominant guy in the diabetes business as well as a Exercise Physiologist, author or even the D.E.S.A. group (Diabetes Exercise Sports Association) possibly.

It is a fascinating question. Had the same kind of experience a few years back. Lowest ketones measurable, but sugar was textbook perfectly normal. Only thing we ever figured was maybe the carbs were not consistant enough and the body was being tricked into spilling ketones. Starving we ain't... but the body believes thst it is?

Have you changed your eating habits recently ???

Stuart
Merely my opinion, I could surely be mistaken...
4 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2010 - 11:05PM #1
Logan
Posts: 3
type1
I'm a type I diabetic and I am a bodybuilder.

For the past two and a half weeks, I've been getting this overwhelming ammonia stink in my nose about half-way through a workout or during cardio. I don't personally smell like ammonia, my sweat doesn't smell like ammonia, and my breath doesn't smell like ammonia, but I have this smell in my nose like I literally dipped my finger in a bucket of strong floor cleaner and snorted it (the inside of my nose will feel like it's on fire!) The smell is exactly the same as when my blood sugar's been high for any considerable length of time.

About a week ago, I bought some ketone test sticks to see if I was going into ketosis. Turns out I am in ketosis at around 5-15 mg/dL ("trace" or "small") every time I get that ammonia smell, but I won't be in ketosis when I don't smell ammonia.

I'm diet is roughly 30-60g of carbohydrate and 20-50g of protein per meal. During my workouts I sip on a heavy weight gainer which has ~50g of protein and 150-200g of carbs to keep my blood sugar up. My blood sugar runs pretty level most of the day, and my last a1c test was a 6.0. Every time I'm in ketosis my blood sugar will be 150 or lower.

Ultimately, I want to know why I'm going into ketosis when my blood sugar is normal or near normal and if there is anything I should be worried about.
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